Is this woman demon possessed? She dares take the name "reverend," while advocating the taking of innocent life?! She is a wolf in sheep's clothing, if nothing else.It is very disturbing that the SDA church has refused to take a clear stand against abortion. We strongly supported prohibition a century ago. How can we be on the sidelines with this issue? I don't mean to be cynical, but could it be that some of our hospitals are preforming abortions, and that there is money in it?It's been almost 20 years, but I still remember distinctly the dispiccable treatment given to one of our ministers who suggested (at a constituency meeting) that, as a conference, we should take a stand against abortion. He was humiliated by both conference officials and laity. Those who were the most vocal against him were from the church in the town where the SDA hospital is located. To say that I was shocked would be an understatement.
Raven,There are some SDA hospitals that have been described as abortion mills, and there is profit in it. The Loma Linda Alumni Journal carried an article in 1983 written by a GYN physician "Abortion, a moral choice". I am not sure how this is much different than the phony "reverend" speaking above. Any church claiming to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus should take a strong stand for the 6th commandment which says "Thou shalt not murder", and abortion is murder-- plain and simple!Stan
There seems to be inconsistency. Our church was quick to correct racial inequities, women's rights but has been slow or slower in respect to the rights of the unborn. It is a strong thing to say, but the issue is killing the unborn.This, if I may say so, is beyond the issue of religious freedom. As was mentioned earlier on this thread. There is serious inconsistency.
So it's even worse than I thought. I agree with you. However, not being in the medical profession, I have wondered about the oft repeated mantra, "to save the life of the mother." I am assuming that with all the modern methods of caring for people, that it must be extremely rare that one would have to perform an abortion to save the life of the mother. It doesn't seem right to just let a woman die, if the pregnancy is killing her. But, having never been faced with that choice, I've never really thought it through carefully. Since you are in the medical field, can you shed more light on this?
Raven,I do agree that there are some rare exceptions for abortion, so I am not strictly rigid like some. If the life of the mother is truly at risk, then it is appropriate to save the mother over the baby, but as you say this is rare.The liberals have redefined life of the mother to mean health of the mother, and even the mental health of the mother as being a good reason to abort, but this is nothing more than abortion on demand.I think rape and incest are also legitimate reasons for abortion.But in general the rule should be "What God has joined together, let not man (or the abortionist "doctor") put asunder"Stan
Is abortion murder? -YesShould we condone or facilitate it in any way? -NoDo we have the right to tell others what they should or shouldn't do? -?
We do if they ask. We do if it is our underage daughter living under our roof. Society has a right to tell people what to do through the laws that are passed. However, as Christians, I do not believe that we should harrass clients as they come and go to planned parenthood facilities. We should not commit vandalism against those facilities or commit harrassment or violence against anyone who works there. I don't believe we should target physicians and their families in their homes for harrassment or instigate or commit violence against them. We should never identify ourselves with those who do such things or cooperate with them in their activities. All of those activities are done by people, most, if not all of whom would identify themselves as Christians doing God's will. I believe that soon enough if we remain faithful to God, we will come to the attention of these same people and many more like them and we will recieve the same treatement and worse. But we can have faith that "there be more with us than with them."We ought to use our influence as best we can as we have opportunity, to point out the alternatives to abortion and to educate people about the nature of life and its sanctity. Many people honestly believe that there is nothing immoral about abortion. The anti-abortion activists who get in people's faces and call them murderers only serve to alienate not only them, but others who are not settled in their opinion about it. I believe they do much harm to the case against abortion.