James and Ellen White

[Raven]

The pastor says that the Whites held the errant view while they were talking about the Open and  Shut Door. I have not the time or inclination to search through all 122 hits on the Open and Shut Door to try to find a ghost but as I browse over the hits I did not see any quotes on this topic in 1844. All that I have seen were anywhere from 30-60 years later. That does not mean that there are none however, any quote after 1844 that would indicate that the White's held the erroneous view on the second coming of Christ would be problematic since they met that error and renounced it late in 1844.

Those who make erroneous claims about what Ellen White taught regarding the Shut Door, have taken what she said out of context.  I've read it more than once, and her belief about the shut door was in common with what the other Millerites believed, and did not come to her from any vision (as is often claimed).  The truth of the matter is explained in 1SM, 61-64.  Here is here statement on p. 63, which shows the claims of her detractors to be false:  "For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that corrected our error, and enabled us to see the true position."

[ColporteurK]

Thank you for that , Raven. What I am now wondering is, did that view include a spiritual second coming of Christ in the heart ( rather than coming in the clouds) or did it simply mean that probation had closed on the world ?

What I'm trying to dissect here is if that view ( you quoted) necessarily included a spiritual coming of Christ in the heart, (as the pastors says) or was that a separate view that rose up out of the first error.  In other words did Ellen White believe this too.. If not, he should correct that when (and if) he corrects his implied error that the Whites were in the group that acted out foolish and sinful holy flesh type maneuvers.

I read through I Selected Messages 61 and onward (much too quickly) but saw no indication that the Whites held to the view of a spiritual second coming in the heart. Personally, unless I have missed something I don't know how anyone would come up with that conclusion from these writings. They must have gotten this from some so called scholar or from some other SOP quotes. What are your thoughts, Raven ?