David Gates

[colporteur]

    I am hearing that David Gates has been removed from Audio Verse because he is considered a sensationalist. I have not heard what I would consider sensationalism from David. He has said that he thinks the economy could crash this year. I don't think this is sensational and it is not a claim to a dogmatic prophetic fact. He has said it could go two years and if God provides a miracle three. He has set know dates for anything. I do not think the greater danger is to sound an alarm that the end is coming soon but rather to ignore all the signs and keep sleeping. While it has not been validated yet and this may not be possible unless the GC makes a public statement, which is unlikely, they are involved in this. My only concern with David was his temporary support of Ernie's dreams. I question his discernment to publicly support something so questionable from the onset. While he apparently has renounced his support of the dreams I wonder why he was not more cautious given the deceptiveness of Satan. Even so, we are erring and it is easy to make a public statemen giving opinion in a question and answer session not intending that it make headlines. I don't know where David is headed spiritually but I do know that if a liberal conference worker would have made such a statement and then changed their position  when they learned more about Ernie's dreams nothing would come of it. After all, most of even the most cautious of us on the forum did not take a hard stand one way or the other and were not sure intitally what to think of the dream's. I took issue with them early on because of the tone but did not outright condemn them because there was alot of truth involved and it took time and investigation to be able to nail them down as being doctrinal error.

     I hope David is on track and, simply made an error by not taking enough time with the dreams and not careful enough in what he said in a public setting before he was more sure, and is simply experiencing the same ostracizing that so often takes place with those who are watchmen sounding the warning in a sleepy church.

     As pastor oF'fil has said, truth can afford to be patient.
 Time will reveal much.

[Raven]

 
     As pastor O'Ffill has said, truth can afford to be patient.
 Time will reveal much.

I wish more people understood that concept.  Human nature is rather impatient.  Notice how long Jesus put up with Judas.  The truth came out eventually, and it all worked out for good (well, not for Judas, but for the advancement of gospel).

[Dalfie]

There are still 32 results in my search on "David Gates" on AudioVerse. Is it possible that only certain presentations were removed?

[colporteur]

There are still 32 results in my search on "David Gates" on AudioVerse. Is it possible that only certain presentations were removed?

Might be. I'll check into it.

[colleenHF]

There are still 32 results in my search on "David Gates" on AudioVerse. Is it possible that only certain presentations were removed?

The following is a quote from David Gates in his FrontLine Mission Report regarding AudioVerse.
"The Approaching Storm was one of audioverse.org

[countrymouse]

Apparently part 2 has been removed also.  I find that disturbing that they would do that.  If the Sabbath becomes controversial will they that those also?

[CountryBoy]

I downloaded part 2 from the gospelministry.org link above and listened to most of it. I think the concern may perhaps be related to his assertion that the US currency was becoming worthless and not acceptable in Latin America. This might be true in Venezuela due to the leftist direction that country has taken lately, but my wife and I were in Costa Rica earlier this month for a week and had no trouble using US dollars.

[colporteur]

I downloaded part 2 from the gospelministry.org link above and listened to most of it. I think the concern may perhaps be related to his assertion that the US currency was becoming worthless and not acceptable in Latin America. This might be true in Venezuela due to the leftist direction that country has taken lately, but my wife and I were in Costa Rica earlier this month for a week and had no trouble using US dollars.

I wonder if that is because Costa Rico is not so third world as Venzeuela. I know David had issues in Bolivia too. Perhaps there might be some exaggeration in certain areas but our $ is now worth less than Canadian currency. It may also be that the problem is in using the money on the streets rather than exchanging at the banks. We didn't have any problems in Dominican Republic but we exchanged at the bank.

[Dalfie]

I have found evidence online from nonaffliliated sources that there are currency issues in Bolivia.

I think the problem people are having is David Gates' assertions about the US economic condition.

[Pamela Adams]

Regarding current topic on financial...check out to see if your bank is safe? 


http://www.thestreet.com/screener/index.html?src=ratingsindex&tab=3

[newbie]

Regarding current topic on financial...check out to see if your bank is safe? 


http://www.thestreet.com/screener/index.html?src=ratingsindex&tab=3

Thanks Pamela.... good info. to check out...  we are living in shaky times! 

[Deep Waters]

I don't consider David Gates' warnings as sensational. I have been saying some of the same things about the economy, only more along the lines of the real estate bubble about to burst, for over four years. Further evidence of the crumbling, or "financial meltdown":

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080915/financial_meltdown.html

[countrymouse]

After today it looks like David Gates knew what he was talking about.

[Kevin Barrett]

Part 1 and 2 of "The Approaching Storm" are both available on David's website. One really doesn't even have to listen to the recordings to recognize that it
is not 'business as usual'  Bro. Gates in my opinion, is merely stating the obvious. Stating time frames in months versus years probably makes some
uneasy. It obviously grabs your attention, but David isn't setting specific dates. Truly God is in control. He has a purpose in allowing things and
circumstances to happen at a rapid pace.

As dire as these circumstances have (and will) become, and as interesting as last day events are to understand (we really need to understand them) I
need to be careful of what I'm beholding. It doesn't take long for me to become captivated with all the nuances of what ails the church, economy, environment,
medicine, politics etc...  I have the assurance that I serve a big enough God who remains in control of all situations.
Many families are hurting financially, but the gold nugget in this is that some are drawing closer to their Savior in these trying times.

Personally, I need to behold more the author and finisher of my faith. If I seek Him first and His kingdom and His Righteousness, I need
not worry about one temporal thing. I am blessed to be able to face whatever storm with Him. What a window of opportunity I have to share some really
Good News with those around me who are trying to face the storm without Him.

[Deep Waters]

Amen!