Never Heard This Explanation Before

[Listen]

Never heard this subject explained this way before and am not sure what I think of it.  What say you?

The Faith of Jesus Christ is identified in the Bible as His faith in us.  His faith in humanity.  Jesus Christ on the cross died in faith, believing that this death would have an impact on our hearts.  When we have the faith of Jesus, we have that same outlook towards humanity that Jesus had.  The faith of Jesus is what causes us to have hope for others and ourselves.  The faith of Jesus is a power and an influence that is the very essence of the gospel, so when it says that God's people in Rev. 12:14 and really it's kind of like the final verse, you know, that encapsulates.  When it says that they have the faith of Jesus and the commandments of God, old testament, God's people kept the commandments, but they didn't have faith of Jesus.  And when Jesus came they rejected Him, the majority of the Jewish nation crucified and rejected Him.  In the new testament, a lot of christians (have) the faith of Jesus, right, but they don't necessarily keep the commandments of God.  Not all 10 of them.  So what have you in Rev. 12, you have a people who keep the commandments of God, they keep the law of God but they also keep the faith of Jesus.  Their whole dependency is on the  faith of Jesus, on His faith in them and His gift to them for salvation.  That's the gospel.

This is from a computer generated transcript of a talk so the next part doesn't make sense to me but will include it anyway.

But they also even though they are their complete reliance is on them, they keep their commandments.  They keep the tension.  It's a tension.

[GraceVessel]

This is a hard concept to put on paper because of the two "mindsets" that exist in our current sinful condition.

1) The awareness that God is present in our lives

2) The reality that the closer our view of His Holiness, purity, and omniscience, the more we appear as "filthy rags" when standing in Jesus presence (in prayer, worship, or daily interaction with others) ... and in a more intimate way... how we deal with ourselves.

This is the tension that permeates our daily "mindset" of how we approach each day. "sufficient to the day is the evil thereof -- today is the day of your salvation"

Be in the world but not of the world.

Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

This brings me to a gem of thought that CP shared awhile back -- obedience is a choice and the counterbalance of the choice is in the knowledge of sin in your life -- said in a different way ... choosing to be obedient doesn't have a purpose in keeping the law. The reason you are "keeping the law" is based on your proper motivation and realization that what ever your behavior... the driving motivational thought is to honor God in all things.

In order to put your mind and heart in the right "frame of thought" ... Daily recognition of God (awareness of His providence in your life) occurs by spending "acknowledgement time" in everything you do.

For most of my life this "motivational dynamic" has been missing because I was not --- aware of it in a personal sense.

It's very hard to convict someone of sin on the written page without understanding the "context" and details of communication in order to be "in tune" and listening effectively for opportunities to represent how God is in your life (with the proper unction of the Holy Spirit).  This process is ongoing.  A person with a high contact of missionary use can attest to it.  This is evidenced in how CP is able to canvas people.  Just from repeated experience, he has fine tuned his listening skills for "entry points".   There has to be some kind of "hook" or entry point in your communication in order to hopefully present Jesus to people with the best effort we can provide.. in order to honor God in our communication.  If you practice truly listening to what God is saying each day, this teaches you to be more "attentive" or "aware" of God's leading in your communication with others.

Without the self realization of this "tension" and that we are on a battle field -- we can loose motivation and focus.

Another way of saying it... if you and I jog together every day, I will be more motivated to show up tomorrow in order to further the communication our friendship.  The challenge or "healthy competition" keeps the edge of the knife sharp so that my focus is keen, my listening skills are heightened, and if my heart is in the right place, I am in a position to both receive and give instruction to others.

with kind regards,

Gracevessel

[Ed Sutton]

I never heard it explained either.
 
The third angel's message is the proclamation of the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Christ. The commandments of God have been proclaimed, but the faith of Jesus Christ has not been proclaimed by Seventh-day Adventists as of equal importance, the law and the gospel going hand in hand. I cannot find language to express this subject in its fullness. {3SM 172.2}  {12MR 193.3}{1888 217.3}{Ms24-1888}   
 "The faith of Jesus." It is talked of, but not understood. What constitutes the faith of Jesus, that belongs to the third angel's message? Jesus becoming our sin-bearer that He might become our sin-pardoning Saviour. He was treated as we deserve to be treated. He came to our world and took our sins that we might take His righteousness. And faith in the ability of Christ to save us amply and fully and entirely is the faith of Jesus. {3SM 172.3}  {12MR 193.4}   {1888 217.4}  {Ms24-1888}

“The faith of Jesus” =  447 published SOP hits
“The faith of Jesus” =  223 unpublished SOP hits

In some cases it seems to refer to becoming Christian.

Other times it is more specific, it delineates a two fold surrender and obedience to Jesus .

What is the condition of those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus? If in families there are those who are refusing obedience to the Lord in keeping His Sabbath, then the seal cannot be placed upon them. The sealing is a pledge from God of perfect security to His chosen ones. Sealing indicates you are God’s chosen. He has appropriated you to Himself. As the sealed of God we are Christ’s purchased possession, and no one shall pluck us out of His hands.—Manuscript 59, 1895 (Manuscript Releases, vol. 15, pp. 223-225). {CTr 102.6}

Other times it seems to be a prophetic description of the Christian SDA's who are overcomers to the end.

“Of the loyal and true who do not bow to the decrees of earthly rulers against the authority of the King of heaven the Revelator says, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” {CTr 315.5}

Look, oh, look. Listen to the voices and powers that prevail in the world. The heavenly Watcher sees the earth filled with violence and crime. ...... But what has God written upon it? Mystery of iniquity. {CTr 349.4}
The working of the power of iniquity seems to have taken the whole world captive. . . Enumerate the vices of men and women, if you can. ..... Avarice and sensuality prevail. . . . {CTr 349.5}
.... John saw this multitude. This demon worship was revealed to him, ... he beheld a company of God’s commandment-keeping people. They had the sign of the living God upon their foreheads, and he exclaimed, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”Manuscript 122, 1898. {CTr 349.6}

But I like what {3SM 172.2}  {12MR 193.3}{1888 217.3}{Ms24-1888} - {3SM 172.3}  {12MR 193.4}   {1888 217.4}  {Ms24-1888} says about “ the faith of Jesus” because it is a Sanctuary / RBF journey that is a big part of the Loud Cry. 

“The time of test is just upon us, for the loud cry of the third angel has already begun in the revelation of the righteousness of Christ, the sin-pardoning Redeemer. This... to lift up Jesus, to present Him to the world as revealed in types, as shadowed in symbols, as manifested in the revelations of the prophets, as unveiled in the lessons given to His disciples and in the wonderful miracles wrought for the sons of men. Search the Scriptures; for they are they that testify of Him.  {1SM 362.4} 
     If you would stand through the time of trouble, you must know Christ, and appropriate the gift of His righteousness, which He imputes to the repentant sinner.--The Review and Herald, Nov. 22, 1892. …... {1SM 363.1}  {RH, November 22, 2024 par. 7 & 8}      “Let every one…...... unto the simple”{1888 1073.7 - .8}

What journey does each sentence unpack ?
 Jesus becoming our sin-bearer that He might become our sin-pardoning Saviour.
Becoming sin bearer – what journey ?       Sin Pardoning personal Saviour – what was required ?

He was treated as we deserve to be treated. By people ?   By Devils ?  By Father God – Hebrews 10:5; Psalms 40:6-17; Isaiah 53 & Daniel 9: 24-27

He came to our world and took our sins that we might take His righteousness.  Matthew 13:44 & 46

And faith in the ability of Christ to save us amply and fully and entirely is the faith of Jesus.    Hebrews 7:25; Matthew 17:20; Luke 1:37

[newbie]

all through the OT it was all about the LAW...

then when Jesus came, it switched to all about Jesus...

in 1844 they were told that the LAW WAS important and not done away with...

Now we are to have focus on both equally but once again Satan is trying to fragment the message... 

[Listen]

  Suddenly the gloom lifted from the cross, and in clear, trumpetlike tones, that seemed to resound throughout creation, Jesus cried, "It is finished." "Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit." A light encircled the cross, and the face of the Saviour shone with a glory like the sun. He then bowed His head upon His breast, and died.  {DA 756.2} 
     Amid the awful darkness, apparently forsaken of God, Christ had drained the last dregs in the cup of human woe. In those dreadful hours He had relied upon the evidence of His Father's acceptance heretofore given Him. He was acquainted with the character of His Father; He understood His justice, His mercy, and His great love. By faith He rested in Him whom it had ever been His joy to obey. And as in submission He committed Himself to God, the sense of the loss of His Father's favor was withdrawn. By faith, Christ was victor.  {DA 756.3} 

The following are some comments from a talk by Brian Schwartz
https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/6709/the-faith-of-jesus.html

By faith Jesus rested in Him whom it had ever been His joy to obey.
Jesus lived his whole life by faith
The faith of Jesus is a perfect faith.  The faith of Jesus held secure it did not fail.  It was a perfect sacrifice.
It is the very faith that he gives to us today
by faith he recounted how his father had been with him every single step of the way.
He chose to believe the promises of God over the feelings of his experience

I really don't find any merit in the following
"The Faith of Jesus Christ is identified in the Bible as His faith in us.  His faith in humanity" 

I do not think that faith in humanity is going to get us through any trial or final crisis.

[Larry Lyons]

  Suddenly the gloom lifted from the cross, and in clear, trumpetlike tones, that seemed to resound throughout creation, Jesus cried, "It is finished." "Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit." A light encircled the cross, and the face of the Saviour shone with a glory like the sun. He then bowed His head upon His breast, and died.  {DA 756.2} 
     Amid the awful darkness, apparently forsaken of God, Christ had drained the last dregs in the cup of human woe. In those dreadful hours He had relied upon the evidence of His Father's acceptance heretofore given Him. He was acquainted with the character of His Father; He understood His justice, His mercy, and His great love. By faith He rested in Him whom it had ever been His joy to obey. And as in submission He committed Himself to God, the sense of the loss of His Father's favor was withdrawn. By faith, Christ was victor.  {DA 756.3} 

The following are some comments from a talk by Brian Schwartz
https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/6709/the-faith-of-jesus.html

By faith Jesus rested in Him whom it had ever been His joy to obey.
Jesus lived his whole life by faith
The faith of Jesus is a perfect faith.  The faith of Jesus held secure it did not fail.  It was a perfect sacrifice.
It is the very faith that he gives to us today
by faith he recounted how his father had been with him every single step of the way.
He chose to believe the promises of God over the feelings of his experience

I really don't find any merit in the following
"The Faith of Jesus Christ is identified in the Bible as His faith in us.  His faith in humanity" 

I do not think that faith in humanity is going to get us through any trial or final crisis.

In modern English, the words"of" and "from" can sometimes be used interchangably but they can also affect the meaning of a passage. I believe the word "de" in Spanish has the same properties. I agree with Listen that in this case it would be most consistent with Gospel truth to read it as faith "in" Jesus, keeping in mind that even our faith in Jesus is itself a gift from God. (Romans 12:3)

[Listen]

Yes, I believe we are to have faith in Jesus but also the faith of Jesus.  There is a difference.

[newbie]

Yes, I believe we are to have faith in Jesus but also the faith of Jesus.  There is a difference.

agree

[Ed Sutton]

Jesus believed by faith that God would save Him from sinning, and so hid god's Word in His heart, and on the cross, that God would take care of Him and not destroy Him, by faith in God's Word and evidences given. Jesus by faith relied on God to the uttermost to go beyond impossible and do what was seen of men as impossible.

    The faith that is unto salvation is not a casual faith, it is not the mere consent of the intellect, it is belief rooted in the heart, that embraces Christ as a personal Saviour, assured that He can save unto the uttermost all that come unto God by Him. . . .  {FLB 112.2}     

   By constantly contemplating heavenly themes, our faith and love will grow stronger. Our prayers will be more and more acceptable to God because they will be more and more mixed with faith and love. They will be more intelligent and fervent. There will be more constant confidence in Jesus, and you will have a daily, living experience in the willingness and power of Christ to save unto the uttermost all that come unto God by Him.--RH, June 12, 1888. (HC 113.)  {2MCP 732.2}